GOLDWATER AND THE CONSERVATIVE BELIEFS.

[Lock Piatt]

Barry Goldwater believed that the Constitution meant what it said and did not need to be revised reviewed or changed. He supported low taxes and a strong defence. He also railed about the thought police in our bedrooms and schools where to quote him "They have no damn right to interfere in our free right to do as we damn well please."

He fought wasteful spending because it was our money not the governments. Progressive taxes were wrong and not allowed in the Constitution. All taxes and levies must be as to population or equally divided equally amongst the citizens based on a head count. There are many ways the Forefathers tried to protect the citizens from wealth removal from citizens for government purposes.

These unfair actions started the Goldwater conservative movement that carried the country through the Reagan Presidency. Goldwater was the father of the party not Reagan.

[Marlene H. Klim]

Lock, and Terrence,

Sad but true. Do not know what is ahead for us or our country.

Just have this gnawing concern that rather than a simple election of a patriotic American, we've just had a Coup d"etat by someone working within the system to overthrow it. Think a lot of Americans are going to regret this one not too far into the future.

One good thing to report. No cabbage patchers. Don't sweat the small stuff.

[Jimmy Clendennen]

Do you think that if Barry Goldwater had waited until 1968 to run for President, he might have won and our history would have been totally different?

[Rosk]

Actually, Goldwater respected Taft and was the natural heir to Taft's legacy. Without Taft, there was no Goldwater in '64.


Lock Piatt said:

Jimmy, I will stick with Barry because he got all of it right and the others including Taft & Reagan got only some parts correct. The government is to SERVE THE PUBLIC not dictate how we do business or conduct our private lives. All are equal and all have the equal right to fail and suffer the consequences of their choices. If you chose not to get a marketable skill, is it the citizens responsibility through government actions to proved for that person?

Yes, homeless AKA Bums, Hobos have the absolute right to chose their lifestyle - I on the other hand do not have any responsibility to pay government money to give them. The Constitution provides equal opportunity for all not EQUAL LIFE STYLES. That would be Plato's world task - maybe we are leaning towards that belief system. It might take another revolution to save us from the FREE GIVERS OF OUR MONEY.

Jimmy Clendennen said:

"Goldwater was the father of the party not Reagan"

What about "Mr. Republican" Robert A. Taft?

[Lock Piatt]

Goldwater had his shot and took a lot of bullets for the conservative movement from the Media Moguls. They really feared the man and the freedom he respected, he took no quarters when he fought social engineering by government and the liberal education system. They did not like Barry's view of what governments job was - PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE AND GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY AFTER THAT !!

I do not think the year had any thing to do with it. His idea of government did not mesh with those that wanted free goodies from the Federal government, including the states and their governments. Redistribution of wealth was the goal back then and Barry did not support the idea or concept of taking from anyone.

[Jimmy Clendennen]

Can anyone recommend good books on Barry Goldwater, a good biography and one on his conservative philosophy?

[Lock Piatt]

Jimmy,

Go to the Goldwater Institute web site I am sure they will proved you with a long list including some of his photos quite good.

Jimmy Clendennen said:

Can anyone recommend good books on Barry Goldwater, a good biography and one on his conservative philosophy?

[Marlene H. Klim]

McCain might have had a very small piece of the Goldwater concept. His trouble was/is once you get beyond the military piece, there isn't much. He's on the wrong side of the immigration issue from the majority of voters.

He's on the wrong side of the bailout issue from the majority of voters.

He's on the wrong side of the Iraq war from the majority of voters.

And, he made really dumb jokes. At a time when the incumbent has been mocked repeatedly as being less than the brightest bulb, he wants to present himsself as a dimwitted jokester, with such ditties as bomb bomb iran. Not a good projection. Nothing would have been a major improvement.

He made one, basicly one stellar move, bringing Sarah Palin in. What he should have done is make her the head of the ticket and move into the VP slot.

[Jimmy Clendennen]

Marlene H. Klim said:

McCain might have had a very small piece of the Goldwater concept. His trouble was/is once you get beyond the military piece, there isn't much. He's on the wrong side of the immigration issue from the majority of voters.

He's on the wrong side of the bailout issue from the majority of voters.

He's on the wrong side of the Iraq war from the majority of voters.

And, he made really dumb jokes. At a time when the incumbent has been mocked repeatedly as being less than the brightest bulb, he wants to present himsself as a dimwitted jokester, with such ditties as bomb bomb iran. Not a good projection. Nothing would have been a major improvement.

He made one, basicly one stellar move, bringing Sarah Palin in. What he should have done is make her the head of the ticket and move into the VP slot.

McCain has a lot of faults, maybe he can't tell jokes, but at least he is more of a fiscal conservative than Bush.

[Lock Piatt]

Jimmy and Marlene,

everyone is looking for a new conservative leader; the problem is there are many types of conservatives and they must come together to elect conservative leaders. This if I do not get my person I am going to sit out or just waste my vote on some write in.The world is not a perfect place an we must choose the least objectionable

Jimmy Clendennen said:

Marlene H. Klim said:

McCain might have had a very small piece of the Goldwater concept. His trouble was/is once you get beyond the military piece, there isn't much. He's on the wrong side of the immigration issue from the majority of voters.

He's on the wrong side of the bailout issue from the majority of voters.

He's on the wrong side of the Iraq war from the majority of voters.

And, he made really dumb jokes. At a time when the incumbent has been mocked repeatedly as being less than the brightest bulb, he wants to present himself as a dimwitted jokester, with such ditties as bomb bomb iran. Not a good projection. Nothing would have been a major improvement.

He made one, basically one stellar move, bringing Sarah Palin in. What he should have done is make her the head of the ticket and move into the VP slot.

McCain has a lot of faults, maybe he can't tell jokes, but at least he is more of a fiscal conservative than Bush.

[asp]

I'm Back said:

Hello Lock,
When we start talking about Goldwater, or even Reagan for that matter, we tend to date ourselves. Using your Goldwater quote however, sums things up quite succinctly: They have no damn right to interfere in our free right to do as we damn well please."

Hell, the damnocraps keep invoking the name of F(ound) D(ead) R(oosevelt) and Lyndon (the only president to lose two wars) Johnson. So what is wrong with Goldwater and Reagan?

[asp]

Goldwater caused the epiphany that brought Reagan over from the darkside which is the democrat party.

[Lock Piatt]

Yes and our search is now for the next Goldwater - a conservative that will call BS as BS on the floor of Congress and on the news. We do not have that person named today; Maybe it could be the Barracuda fro the big A???? Time will bring a new straight talking truth telling person with convictions and tell the people the truth America is over-extended and the school system was destroyed by the Federal Government involvement and for that matter the State Government. We all did well with local school Marms and a one room building built by the towns people (vested interest). Yes but oh for the good old days of real freedom and civil polite behaviour. Can they ever return???

asp said:

Goldwater caused the epiphany that brought Reagan over from the dark side which is the democrat party.