Mark Sanford - the Future for the GOP - NO JINDAL - TRUE CONSERVATIVISM

[Matthew]

this is the kind of Conservative the party needs.

please viw this video to understand my point, The Southern Avenger talks about the future for the GOP and how we DONT need a Jindal


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJX2AkAzsko

[David T.]

The best candidate to move the party forward, from what I know today, is Sanford. Hopefully he would support both a domestic economic policy and foreign policy representing a sharp contrast from the W. Bush years.

[Matthew]

at this moment I couldnt tell you but I do know people like Ron Paul, Bob Barr, Pat Buchannan need a bigger voice in the GOP

[richard rinke]

I love this guy,and I hope he runs in 2012!!!!!!

[Jason Taylor]

This process can start now ... or it can wait a generation if the GOP interferes with universal health care.

So let's see if I understand you correctly. You're saying that, in order to create a vibrant, effective conservative Party we should stand aside while the largest expansion of social welfare programs takes hold in our Government?

Or is it that, in order to "win", Republicans should accept the expansion of social welfare as a plank in their Party platform?

Hmmm, let's change our name too. Well be "Democrat Lite". Same great liberal policies, half the calories.

[Jason Taylor]

We've gone as far as we can go in privatization and deregulation; it's got us the mother of all economic crashes and more of the same will not improve the situation.

This is patently untrue. The mortgage and securities industries are the most regulated in our Nation.

The federal government coercing lenders to make risky loans to poorly qualified "low income" borrowers, combined with ACORN's use of this legislation in litigation against lenders who tried to resist, was a clear example of what happens when Government tries to over-regulate how private businesses operate.

Another example? The Big 3 have slipped to the edge of liquidation largely as a result of ridiculous regulation spanning practically every phase of their business, from R&D to standards, from labor to manufacturing, to dealership relations.

Legislators do not know how to run businesses, and they should really stop trying.

We do need a solution to health care, but let it be a free-market solution which does not increase the size, scope or power of the Federal Government, or let us go without.

[Tragic Magic]

I want to commend Stranded Wind for posting such interesting pieces. If I may, I'd like to ask Strand if he is asking for some kind of collective health care. If he is, how does he justify forcing me to pay for it?

Sure he has had a horrible experience, nearly dying from poor care. But surely he doesn't want to inflict on me the same problems that he is seeking a solution from?

I do agree with his statement that the Republicans lost the election. And as long as we have a winner take all electorate the GOP sure better find something more then the old negative campaign commercials. I'm convinced that becoming the Party of individuals holds our best chance of winning elections. Not everywhere, but certainly in some states. Then we push the idea of states rights. After that, who knows;-)

[Diana B]

If nothing else convinced me, your last two posts here with "Stranded Wind" DID -- this guy is out to take you all on and push his - yes, Jason, - "Democrat -Lite " agenda. That's all he's here for. Good luck wasting time and energy arguing with him. I'm done with him insulting the conservatives, and all he's done is praise Obama and bash Bush, talk-radio, conservative websites, etc etc. I'll say it again, we have a troll. This is not going to get anyone here anywhere, this is NOT constructive argument. Last I heard we all wanted to get back to our conservative roots. I can't even imagine this guy on RepublicansForAReason, or the GOP website. Why are we putting up with this here? I wonder if he actually worked on Obama's campaign and is paid? The Great O certainly had (and continues to have) enough money (and we know why) to get whatever his heart desires; after all, he bought the white house on the hill.


Jason Taylor said:

We've gone as far as we can go in privatization and deregulation; it's got us the mother of all economic crashes and more of the same will not improve the situation.

This is patently untrue. The mortgage and securities industries are the most regulated in our Nation.

The federal government coercing lenders to make risky loans to poorly qualified "low income" borrowers, combined with ACORN's use of this legislation in litigation against lenders who tried to resist, was a clear example of what happens when Government tries to over-regulate how private businesses operate.

Another example? The Big 3 have slipped to the edge of liquidation largely as a result of ridiculous regulation spanning practically every phase of their business, from R&D to standards, from labor to manufacturing, to dealership relations.

Legislators do not know how to run businesses, and they should really stop trying.

We do need a solution to health care, but let it be a free-market solution which does not increase the size, scope or power of the Federal Government, or let us go without.

[asp]

Stranded,
There is not a doubt but that in the PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF VERMONT you are considered to be a "right- wing extremist"; however this is the real world, not Ben and Jerry's LA-LA Land.

Stranded Wind said:

Jason,
Maybe the memo hasn't got here yet, but the Republicans lost the Presidential race by eight and a half million votes. That'll get much worse if something isn't done and health care with the attendant taxes is a fine way of getting that done while boosting productivity.
Even if Congress votes a bail out for Detroit a good 40% of their market is gone and with that we're going to see about two million fewer jobs in that sector. I cringe at the thought of a million fewer jobs in the alleged health care industry too, but at this point what I see is a bloated bureaucracy that is basically a tax farmer, sucking up 31% of all our health care dollars and doing nothing.

We're entering a period of great change and the flexibility of simply being able to get off a sinking ship without worries about health care is one component of setting American creativity back into motion. This is personal for me - I had a small business with the attendant junk insurance from Blue Cross/Blue Shield last year. I got something Midwestern doctors don't usually see - Lyme disease - and it went undiagnosed, nearly killing me last spring. I ended up on Medicaid and if they propose socialized medicine I'll be the first to throw a stone for the inevitable riot - I've had the government pick a doctor for me and it's a real POS - there must be market forces in play such that bad doctors and institutions fail. I finally got a little bit better on my own, made some money, and paid my own way to decent care. It took forty eight hours of the right antibiotic to set me back to working ... and ninety days of bullshit to get to that $25 prescription after I'd already paid for the diagnostics out of pocket. The system is broken beyond repair and all the fine theories about why we can't do what every other developed country does just don't hold water.

In between almost dying last spring, being borderline homeless off and on, and many other adventures I've managed to start a commercial venture in the renewable ammonia sector. Maybe I'm going to have a seven digit net worth next year the way things are progressing or maybe I'm going to chicken out and just end up with a job that puts me in the upper 1% of wage earners; negotiations on this are the 16th of December with a large engineering firm. Either way I don't mind paying taxes ... even a whole lot of taxes ... as long as my money is not pissed away. If you're not sure what "pissed away" looks like I'll refer you to the sloppy execution of the needless adventure in Iraq, the dysfunctional bailout of the bankrupt banking system, and a dozen other sins of the incompetent Bush administration.

We've gone as far as we can go in privatization and deregulation; it's got us the mother of all economic crashes and more of the same will not improve the situation. I see a lot of statements here about the need to elect a "real conservative". Sometimes that means a better Dominionist, which I will not tolerate, but other times it means what the English translation says - someone with fiscal discipline. This I agree to wholeheartedly, but there are things government must provide. I wouldn't want a market driven solution to police or fire service and health care is done as these are in other countries with good effect.

I suspect you and I also have different metrics on what matters - you're counting dollars and cents, but I'm looking at calories, BTUs, and social stability. I think we hit the wall on oil production May of 2005 and we're about to do the same with natural gas. Take a look at the Soviet Union from 1985 to 1991 for a sense of what might happen here if we don't get focused on proper problem definitions and their solutions.

-SW

[Matthew]

the republican part doesnt need to lower its standards and become more liberal just to gain votes from the loonley left. WE NEED to get more conservative to re gain our true audience. Liberals will go Deomcrat. So stop scaring away our true backers and keep it conservative

[Eric De Las Casas]

I don't support Jindal for his minority status. I would support him even if he was white. He's done an amazing job here in Louisiana, handled the hurricanes almost flawlessly, and has helped curb corruption and spending in a state where we've all but given up on fighting corruption. We also have a thriving economy despite the national crisis.

I personally think he's the best candidate for president.

[asp]

Hear!! Hear!!, Matthew. I do not believe Jindal to be conservative enough to fill the void. I have no doubt about him being smart; it' s his intelligence with which I'm concerned,

Matthew said:

at this moment I couldnt tell you but I do know people like Ron Paul, Bob Barr, Pat Buchannan need a bigger voice in the GOP

[Jason]

"I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism."
-Ronald Reagan

People who call libertarians like Ron Paul liberals are unintelligent idiots!