Obama's Birth Certificate case proceeding at Supreme Court

[Arella]

Is there any truth to this story?

Obama - Birth Certificate -Supreme Court

If The Supreme Court Decides?

At this point, Supreme Court Justice David Souter's Clerk informed Philip J. Berg, the lawyer who brought the case against Obama, that his petition for an injunction to stay the November 4th election was denied, but the Clerk also required the defendants to respond to the Writ of Certiorari (which requires the concurrence of four Justices) by December 1. At that time, Mr. Obama must present to the Court an authentic birth certificate, after which Mr. Berg will respond.


If Obama fails to do that, it is sure to inspire the skepticism of the Justices, who are unaccustomed to being defied. They will have to decide what to do about a president-elect who refuses to prove his natural-born citizenship.
"I can see a unanimous Court (en banc) decertifying the election if Obama refuses to produce his birth certificate," says Raymond S. Kraft, an attorney and writer. "They cannot do otherwise without abandoning all credibility as guardians of the Constitution. Even the most liberal justices, however loathe they may to do this, still consider themselves guardians of the Constitution. The Court is very jealous of its power - even over presidents, even over presidents-elect."
Also remember that on December 13, the Electoral College meets to casts its votes. If it has been determined that Mr. Obama is NOT A NATURAL U.S. CITIZEN and therefore ineligible to become President of the United States, the Electors will be duty-bound to honor the Constitution.

[Terrence Abrams]

Then you obviously did not read the judge's full opinion Stranded Long-Winded.
AND, you're so ready to dismiss good evidence, you need to be working with Keith Oberman. Same Style and lack of substance!

WOW. you can find all of what I refer to easily, go get 'em if you're sincere!

[Terrence Abrams]

Dear Leslie,

Actually, as provided for by the Constittution of the United States, if the SC and Congress/Electoral College finds Obama ineligible, it falls upon the Secretary of State to decided on how to remove, if removal is the decision, of the president elect.

It is supposed to fall to Biden, if the Secretary of State finds no wrong-doing by the VP-Elect in participating with clear knowledge of the President-Elect's ineligibility.

But, it is within the Secretary of State's power, at that point, to decide who succeeds Obama in this case.

Isn't that a hoot!

[Whitehorse (Robin Ray)]

I am loathe to get into conspiracy theories, though I do know conspiracies exist. I also believe that if the Republican nominee had been a strong, bold color, complete conservative who opposed the bailout we would not likely be having this discussion regarding Obama's citizenship.

I am troubled that this is still an issue, when the solution is so easy - Obama releases the birth certificate, the one in the vault in HI. What good is done by allowing this issue to fester? When questions regarding McCain's birth surfaced, he immediately settled the issue by releasing the necessary documentation. With this being a question, why doe Obama not just follow McCain's lead & put this issue to rest once & for all?

[John Allison III]

There's an unbiased source...not!

My God! You blast Fox News for being biased and then use the DailyKos as a source? I gave you too much credit for being reasonable earlier.

[Terrence Abrams]

Stranded Wind also lies, unfortunately. Plays right out of the MSNBC playbook too.

The 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals, "affirmed the dismissal as part of setting a new hearing date on Berg's re-written petition. Affirming the previous dismissal, if you read law, is part of recognizing the new petition and case.

It has not been dismissed again from the 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals yet.

I'm seeing what happened today and will get back to you.

Stranded Wind misses no opportunity to spin like a 'muthuh' does he folks??

[Jim Rock]

this is all I can find anywhere right now on it--oh hello, Im Jim

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Mr-Obamas-Eligibility-Aired-M...


Mr. Obama's Eligibility to be Aired Monday at the National Press Club


Last update: 3:18 p.m. EST Dec. 4, 2008
QUEENSBURY, N.Y., Dec 04, 2008 /PRNewswire-USNewswire via COMTEX/ -- On Monday, December 8, 2008, at 1:30 pm, the We The People Foundation will conduct a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington D.C.
The licensed attorneys who initiated lawsuits in PA (Philip Berg), NJ (Leo Donofrio) and CA (Orly Taitz), challenging Mr. Obama's legal eligibility to hold the Office of President of the United States, will briefly summarize the facts, legal arguments and status of their cases. They will answer questions from the press.
Prior to the start of the conference, at 10 am, the Supreme Court of the United States is expected to announce whether it will consider applications from these attorneys who have asked the Court to delay the proceedings of the Electoral College pending a determination of the underlying constitutional question - the meaning of the "natural born citizen" clause of Article II of the Constitution and its application to Mr. Obama.
Robert Schulz will briefly discuss Mr. Obama's response to the publication of his Open Letter in the Chicago Tribune on Monday and Wednesday of this week. For the reasons given in the Open Letter, Schulz asked Mr. Obama to: (1) immediately authorize Hawaiian officials to provide a team of forensic scientists access to his original ("vault") birth certificate and (2) arrange for the delivery of other documents needed to conclusively establish Obama's citizenship status. Mr. Schulz will answer questions from the press.
"Under our Constitution, no one is eligible to assume the Office of the President unless he or she is a 'natural born citizen,'" said Bob Schulz, Chairman of the Foundation. "To date, Mr. Obama has refused all requests to release his original birth certificate or other documents that would definitively establish his citizenship status and thus his constitutional eligibility."
The Open Letter to Mr. Obama summarizes the evidence against Mr. Obama and the adverse consequences that would befall the Nation should he assume the Office of the President as a usurper.
"Should the state members of the Electoral College cast their votes for Mr. Obama in the face of such overwhelming evidence, and without verification of Mr. Obama's eligibility, they would be committing treason to the Constitution," said Schulz.
www.WeThePeopleFoundation.org
SOURCE We The People Foundation For Constitutional Education, Inc.
http://www.WeThePeopleFoundation.org

[Diana B]

The latest case (and the one considered to have the best chance) is Donofrio representing Alan Keyes, a former senatorial candidate who ran against Obama at one point.....

this site gathers info and has funded ads, publicized the info, etc - and you can hear Donofrio's interview just before the Justices met on Friday:
www.freedommarch.org

the hope is that the Supreme court will grant a stay before the electoral college officially votes Obama in on the 15th until this matter is cleared up. IT IS VALID.

brief article :
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/06/obama-challenge-awaits-a-decision/
Saturday, December 6, 2008

The Supreme Court held off Friday on deciding whether to grant a hearing in a long-shot lawsuit that would decide whether Barack Obama can constitutionally become president as a "natural born" U.S. citizen.

The Friday list of court orders that denies or grants hearings did not mention the lawsuit, which says Mr. Obama should be disqualified from the presidency because he purportedly acquired the same British citizenship that his father had when he was born.

A spokesman for the court said the decision on whether to hear the suit brought by retired New Jersey lawyer Leo Donofrio is likely to be announced next week.

A decision not to grant a writ of certiorari -- the legal term for the declaration that the justices will hear the case -- would mean that a lower court ruling that dismissed the lawsuit can stand.

The Supreme Court's justices met in a private conference Friday morning to discuss the issue. At least four of the court's nine justices must approve before the case is heard.

Justice Clarence Thomas picked up the petition to hear the lawsuit after it was denied by Justice David H. Souter. Justice Thomas referred it to the full court, which decided to distribute the case for the justices' conference.

Mr. Obama demonstrated his citizenship during his campaign by circulating copies of his birth certificate, which showed he was born in Hawaii on Aug. 4, 1961. But unlike many of the lawsuits regarding Mr. Obama's citizenship -- which claim he really was born on foreign soil -- Mr. Donofrio's case concedes that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii but says he still held foreign citizenship at birth.

"Since Barack Obama's father was a citizen of Kenya, and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British citizen 'at birth,' just like the framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on U.S. soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be president."

Kenya was British East Africa until it received its independence in 1963.

Legal scholars doubt the court will hear the case. The Supreme Court rarely grants the kind of court orders -- or stays -- sought by Mr. Donofrio. And doing so in this case would set up an unprecedented challenge to the presidency of a man who already has won the election and almost certainly will have taken office by the time any hearings or decisions could occur.

About a half-dozen people who say the court should stop Mr. Obama from becoming president protested in front of the Supreme Court on Friday morning.

"He does not meet the criteria of the Constitution that the Founding Fathers set out," said Roger Bredow, an Internet publisher from Bethlehem, Ga., who has tried to rally lawsuit supporters to block Mr. Obama's presidency.

Valerie Wohllheden, of Alexandria, said the danger is that in deciding the lawsuit, the Supreme Court might bend to "the will of the people" by allowing Mr. Obama to become president despite constitutional provisions.

"Then you've got mob rule," she said. "How can he uphold the Constitution if he's breaking it?"

Associated Press The Supreme Court may hear a lawsuit that argues President-elect Barack Obama cannot become president as a "natural born" U.S. citizen.

After the list of actions was released, Washington resident Theresa Cao said she took heart from the court's delaying its decision on whether to grant a hearing.

"They apparently need the time to deliberate," she said.

[Democratic -Republican]

If Obama has a birth certificate that is proper, then why has he defied the courts request to have it certified, and allowed for a controversy of this magnitude?
Oh because he is technically ineligible.

[Diana B]

SARA JEAN and EVERYONE,

"STRANDED WIND" IS A VERY NASTY TROLL WHO DOES NOTHING BUT GO FROM SUBJECT TO SUBJECT AND RIDICULE ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING WE SAY. WITNESS ALL HIS COMMENTS HERE, THEN FOLLOW HIS DISCUSSIONS.

HE IS A COMPLETE OBAMA SUPPORTER AND DESPISES THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.

THIS ISSUE OF CITIZENSHIP IS VALID AND ONGOING.

[Randy Covington]

Someone needs to get his IP and trace him.

[Jim Rock]

why are you using the Socialist catch word wing nut for. Are you an Obama supporter ( ya know , like Jock Strap ?)

Stranded Wind said:

The case advances because the pleadings are purposefully messy, blending defendants and complaints in such a fashion as to ensure that a judge can't cleanly kill it via a dismissal with prejudice. Anyone taking the time to actually read the recent dismissal would see over and over the judge's desire to put an end to the game. The Supreme Court took it up on a procedural basis and it'll get dropped like the lion's share of cases the receive. The only effect this has will be a persistent wingnut prattle associated with the maneuvers until the case is done, then a lower level drone from the same folks fascinated with the grassy knoll, black helicopters, and chemtrails.

[leslie jander]

Thanks Terrence! That is a hoot and a half! Does it matter when he is deemed ineligibile? Before he "takes" office? Before Congress/Electoral college votes...as to which Sect't of State decides...RIce or Hillary?

Terrence Abrams said:

Dear Leslie,

Actually, as provided for by the Constittution of the United States, if the SC and Congress/Electoral College finds Obama ineligible, it falls upon the Secretary of State to decided on how to remove, if removal is the decision, of the president elect.

It is supposed to fall to Biden, if the Secretary of State finds no wrong-doing by the VP-Elect in participating with clear knowledge of the President-Elect's ineligibility.

But, it is within the Secretary of State's power, at that point, to decide who succeeds Obama in this case.

Isn't that a hoot!